Prejudice and Interracial Marriage

**Thorsten** · 03-06-2008 06:56 PM

Roy,

Prostitution is as old as the humankind and its presence is also not limited on Asia, that’s without question.

Of course this nailing the dishwasher comment has all to do with prejudices and that’s what I wanted to explain with this posting – how these prejudices have been created on the example of Germany and no, it has nothing at all to do with racism in this case, the people will actually feel compassion for these Asian girls, while they are appalled about the German guys.

The thing is more, after this development the people do what they always do, they generalise!

Being a single traveller in many parts of the world for years, I could tell you a lot of anecdotes, when I was the first time in Thailand and came back home, I had many times to defend myself.
You was in holidays – where? Ah, Thailand – big giggle!
You have to defend yourself going there and sometimes it was difficult to explain, that Thailand is not only a big brothel !

That’s what the people associate with it on first sight, although it has already changed a bit!

**milan** · 03-06-2008 07:31 PM

An acnedote only: I teach basic English to an Italian doctor here. I recommended to take an English lady for that but he insisted to have me as his teacher. Anyway, he's in love with a Thai girl whom he met at a bar. But at the same time has this Italian lady as his lover for many years now and who's also my very dearest friend. He met this Thai girl 3 years ago and has taken care of her ever since by asking her to leave Phukett to go back to her village and take care of her 5-year old son.
Now, apart from teaching him English, he confides everything in me about his personal stories, dilemmas, etc that puts me at times in a very difficult position as his Italian lady is a friend that I care for too.
He now has asked the girl to rent a house where all of them will live together for this upcoming summer holiday for the firs time as in the preceding summer holidays, this couple have always stayed in a Hotel.
I can't for the life of me understand how two women can accept this condition, but never evr expressed my opinion or feelings toward them as it is their business and what makes them happy makes me happy too. (When they just know me, they did propose to have a threesome rapport as fun, but I refused subtlely and very politely so they've never ever again proposed that and we're just the bestest of friends in the most healthy and normal manner).
My point is, sad but true, many women in poor countries do make choice based on economy and unfortunately this has been the prevalent view by most Westerners which in a way holds truth. So, I hope for us to not be hypocritical in trying to say that it is not.
Ciao!

**Thorsten** · 03-06-2008 09:42 PM

I was just talking with Kadek and she reminded me to something I had already forgotten.
We spent some days in Richard’s hotel in Lovina and there was this middle aged female couple which always gave us some strange glances, Australian tourists which openly showed their disgust, refused a good morning from us.
They have been wrong in their estimation, but I must admit I even do have a kind of comprehension for this and sometimes it is not easy to value a situation right.

It is simply the consequence of what had Bruce described – what can you expect when open prostitution is omnipresent and tolerated?

4 star resort Koh Samui/ Thailand – went there alone and had a nice bungalow, after showing up the second day at breakfast without company, went to the reception to get something from my safety box.

Receptionist:
You ale alone hele?

I:
Yes

Receptionist:
Alone not good!

I:
-

Receptionist:
You need gillfliend !!!

I:
Ignoring

Receptionist:
You want gill – I have fol you!

I:
Thanks

Receptionist:
Oh – you like gill, I have nice gill fol you!

I:
No, thanks!

Receptionist:
Oh – you don’t like gill ???

I:
No, thanks!!!

Receptionist:
Mind milling – hmm

Receptionist:
You like boy – I have fol you ?!
:shock: :shock: :shock:

**milan** · 03-06-2008 10:30 PM

Thorsten, that's HILARIOUS!!

**Bert Vierstra** · 04-06-2008 01:12 AM

So Thor went for option 3, the ladyboy? :shock:

**BaliLife** · 04-06-2008 02:04 AM

ok, i'm aware that this response is going to appear very, very low class :? but it's honest, so here goes:

i don't particularly see any big issue with prostitution.. is it immoral? probably, but hey i'm an athiest, so i don't have to justify myself to a god.. provided the girl is of age, if a guy wants to pay for sex, so be it, it's the way of the world. that said, in my pre-marriage days of course i had the inclination of course but never the 'courage' to sleep with a prostitute.. this may be too much info, but i'm not a 'rubber man' - it doesn't happen for me, and the idea of engaging in sex with a working woman (one of those amazing looking thai women - argggggg :roll: ) without a rubber is not an option. i've got expat mates in singapore who live the sex dream - they're my age, late 20's, early 30's - i don't judge them, they're living another dream.. me, i have a beautiful wife, 2 healthy kids - and that's a different path, and it's own dream..

ct

**Bert Vierstra** · 04-06-2008 02:16 AM

i don't particularly see any big issue with prostitution

Prostitution is bad. It keeps women dependent, leads to exploitation, people trafficking, not to mention the STD's.

It leads to whole herds of men going to certain destinations (developing countries) to have their "fun". The Japanese go to China, The Westerners to Thailand etc.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhvasia.htm

It has nothing to do with a "God" or religion. It leads to commodification of women. (and men)

SCARY FIGURES. Sadly, no government in the region is really serious about stamping out the region's vast "adult-entertainment" industry. You could argue that a crackdown might make conditions even worse for those women that earn a living from it. I'm not interested into jumping into age-old morality debates about whether prostitution is an outright evil or essentially a "victimless crime" between two consenting adults (when both partners are adults).

What's undeniable is that a lot of young girls, by dint of necessity or under coercion, are getting swept up into this maw and are often having sex without protection. The World Health Organization, in a 2001 report entitled "Sex Work in Asia," came up with some startling finds:

• The premium age for sex workers in the region is from 12 to 16, and in Thailand one-third of foreign sex workers are less than 18.

• In India, 40% of female sex workers get in before 18, and in Nepal, 35% enter sex work before 15.

• In Sri Lanka, about 30% of all sex workers have been trafficked around the region.

As the Asia grows richer, more men have the kind of disposable income to spend and travel more. The sex industry will surely expand to meet that demand. So what's to be done? While it's unlikely this trade will disappear, governments can play a more responsible role by controlling the rules of engagement.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf ... _db004.htm

**BaliLife** · 04-06-2008 02:29 AM

ok i agree, it's not a good thing. but i'm not going to suggest that i sit here and curse the men who have consenting, paid sex with legal aged prostitutes.. it's a fact of life.. labour is seen as a commodity in many developing countries - is prostitution so different just because of the stigma associated with sex? what stigma might be associated with sex if mankind hadn't 'fallen for' christianity and other mainstream religions?

ct

**Ipanema** · 04-06-2008 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by milan

An acnedote only: I teach basic English to an Italian doctor here. I recommended to take an English lady for that but he insisted to have me as his teacher. Anyway, he's in love with a Thai girl whom he met at a bar. But at the same time has this Italian lady as his lover for many years now and who's also my very dearest friend. He met this Thai girl 3 years ago and has taken care of her ever since by asking her to leave Phukett to go back to her village and take care of her 5-year old son.
Now, apart from teaching him English, he confides everything in me about his personal stories, dilemmas, etc that puts me at times in a very difficult position as his Italian lady is a friend that I care for too.
He now has asked the girl to rent a house where all of them will live together for this upcoming summer holiday for the firs time as in the preceding summer holidays, this couple have always stayed in a Hotel.
I can't for the life of me understand how two women can accept this condition, but never evr expressed my opinion or feelings toward them as it is their business and what makes them happy makes me happy too. (When they just know me, they did propose to have a threesome rapport as fun, but I refused subtlely and very politely so they've never ever again proposed that and we're just the bestest of friends in the most healthy and normal manner).
My point is, sad but true, many women in poor countries do make choice based on economy and unfortunately this has been the prevalent view by most Westerners which in a way holds truth. So, I hope for us to not be hypocritical in trying to say that it is not.
Ciao!

Milan

I have a number of work collegues who go to Thailand regularly and our MD bringing his Thai girlfriend to Australia. Can I suggest you or your friend read a book called "Privare Dancer". If you want to read this book and cannot find it let me know and I will find out the author. I borrowed it and read it and returned it. It is a must to read for any male going to Thailand.

Tina

**milan** · 04-06-2008 07:03 PM

Hi Tina,

Yes, I'd be interested to read. That way I can relay to my doctor student. He's totally in love but will never give up this Italian lady friend of mine he says. That's why he's in such dilemma and is tearing him apart.
I'll search the book on Amazon. If nothing, I'll get back to you. Thanks, Tina.

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