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    Hi everyone,

    My name is Buddy and I'm new to this forum like all of you once were. I became a member a while ago with a purpose but as you can see it took me a while to make my first appearance.

    I found my Canadian partner in Indonesia 8 yrs ago. I'm from the Netherlands and we've lived many happy years in various parts of Indonesia. Now we live in Toronto & both are so crazy about Indonesia that we would like to go back. Unfortunately it seems all so difficult. Finding work and not to take work out of the hands of the locals is almost impossible in Indonesia. If you are from an English spoken country, like my partner, your KITAS is waiting for you year after year throughout the many language schools. But being Dutch or from mainland Europe there are not many opportunities.

    So for all of you expatriates in Indo what are your occupations? Are there working individuals other than teachers? I have a Technical background & noticed a lot of mining is going on in Kalimantan. Are there any readers who work in the mining industry? Who has heard or seen a foreigner having his own business (not in the tourist or furniture industry) & employing Indonesians? I really would like to know more about these people.

    I know I'm playing a wild card and I seem a bit random but I'm curious to know where this leads to! Many thanks in advance.

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    Welcome the forum Buddy. I am retired which is common enough among expats, so I cannot answer your questions directly. However, of the non-retired expats I know, most have some sort of business interests, and I only know one or two who are employed - they are employed in businesses that deal with westerners (like property development companies).

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    Sorry I can't help either. I have a business in tourism and I am married to an Indonesian so it makes things easier for me is some respects.
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    Hoi Buddy,

    Welcome to the forum and to see you become active :).
    I'll just jump right to it....
    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy
    If you are from an English spoken country, like my partner, your KITAS is waiting for you year after year throughout the many language schools. But being Dutch or from mainland Europe there are not many opportunities.
    You being dutch would not be an issue in getting a job as a teacher here on Bali, at least that's my experience...I have been asked many times by several institutions if I wanted to teach their students English.
    As far as I know there are requirements to getting a Kitas workpermit, I mean it should be a work-position which cannot be done by an Indonesian (or something like that), but there are other members who can tell you the ins & outs about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy
    Are there any readers who work in the mining industry? Who has heard or seen a foreigner having his own business
    Again :oops: as far as I know, there are some areas of work/investment off-limits to foreigners...mining is one of them I thought.
    Ok buddy, take care and friendly greetings.....Gilbert.
    don't read between the lines..i think the words are clear enough...:)

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    Hi Buddy,
    Welcome to the forum. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert de jong
    Again :oops: as far as I know, there are some areas of work/investment off-limits to foreigners...mining is one of them I thought.
    Gil, I beg to differ on that statement. In 2007, Pak SBY enacted a new set of Presidential decision (#76, #77 and #111) regulating sectors of investment closed, open with conditions or simply open to foreign and domestic investment. No activities in the mining sector have a requirement of 100% of domestic capital. Some mining activities have a foreign capital ownership limit (could be anything from 49% to 95%) or are subjected to prior authorisation, but they are no mining activities closed to 100% foreign own capital investment.
    Talking about areas of work, some fonctions are closed to foreigners, in all sectors. To give you an example, being a foreigner and a human ressources director is a no-no. One will have to label the function differently if one wants to get an IMTA issued. :wink:
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    Okidoki Kabim :) , like I said "as far as I know" and sometimes if not all the time :lol:, I don't know that far :wink: .
    So buddy, if you want you can go do some mining on kalimantan :D .
    don't read between the lines..i think the words are clear enough...:)

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    You being dutch would not be an issue in getting a job as a teacher here on Bali, at least that's my experience...I have been asked many times by several institutions if I wanted to teach their students English.
    My freind is responsible for hiring in one of the english schools here and I can tell you they rarely consider non native speakers and with over 300 applicants for the last job she advertised she has plenty of choice from native speakers
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert de jong
    Okidoki Kabim :) , like I said "as far as I know" and sometimes if not all the time :lol:, I don't know that far :wink:.
    Let me tell you that you usually describe quite accurately what is legal or not in terms of visas from what I've read in your posts. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimpimanis
    My freind is responsible for hiring in one of the english schools here and I can tell you they rarely consider non native speakers and with over 300 applicants for the last job she advertised she has plenty of choice from native speakers
    I think (but it has to be confirmed) that there is a difference of treatment in between "International Schools" and "National Plus Schools". From the informations I have, from other forums I am dealing with, quite a few non native english speaker are hired by some "national plus school" while the more upmarket International schools, such as JIS in Jakarta for example, tend to disregard non native speaker to teach to their pupils.
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    As far as becoming an English teaher goes....most schools do want a "native" english speaker. My gf is European and even doing the TOEFL course was harder for her being a non native, so much so we canned it. She has since been lucky and picked up other work for a european travell agency that is non english speaking, taking tourists from that group of countries all over Indonesia.
    There is some question over the legality of what she does, as indo law says that only indo tour guides are allowed to work in Indo, despite the fact that NONE of them speak the language of her or any of her bordering home countries. Also she takes groups from one end of the archipeligo to the other, and tour guides in indo will only ever work in their own province, so there is a niche in the market for her here.
    If you are Dutch...well thats a language that the locals sometimes have a handle on here, so no luck there.
    Ive worked in the oil.gas sector in a few different spot in Indo, its possible, depending on whos the govt minister at the time.
    Now its ok for oil and gas indo has become an importer and realises that they need world class technology to increase output to be able to sustain. Mining is similar, but only if you are non-hands on (this never really happens tho, when in the field its always hands on), you are to be employed in a supervisory / training role and need to display to the indo govt before embarking on employment here that you are capable of this and have done so in the past.
    Forget it if you think you can come here on constuction projects as labour or such.
    In mining youll need to be a geologist, mine supervisor, maintenance manger/planner, or most of the time, a rep for an equipment manufacturer, but even these jobs are being farmed out now. Companies like Caterpillar and Rolls Royce turbines have Indonesians that not only do the job in Indo, but internationally as well, so even my job prospects in the middle east and russia are in the crosshairs of company accontants now due to the cheap cost of 3rd wold labour (or developing country labour)
    Best shot is your own business, but thats not really an option anywhere right now, let alone Bali.
    Good luck, dont give up.

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