Thread: Why I hate Indonesian Bureaucracy

LIKE THIS..These days in the South (where I live), every day is dance with potential death on the "roads".

I am seriously considering leaving Bali and never coming back. Kind of had enough of the endless crap these days.

Whatever "magic" Bali once had is being rapidly eroded, big time.

I as well getting fed up w/ Bali and the quality life going down hill..Its way to hot all the time and to stressful doing biz.
Check ur replys twitter. I sent u info citric acid.I also live Renon. Been here 20yrs..Follow me twitter so I can send u direct messages instead of coming here.
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Nattoman

I feel for the situation you are in JC....helpless. That is unless if you speed the system up the good (bad) ole way. Your morals may prevent you from doing this reading most of your posts.I too am having such feelings.Ive spent the last 5 months working for a company 41% owned by pertamina and 30% owned by the Suharto family. It was previously (up until 2008)* 100% owned by Pertamina. It was publicly listed then and the Suharto clan bought in.As such, its never done business using finance as a driver for sucess, only power and authority.ITs extremely nationalisitic, and despises having to use foreign expertise working in the public sector as it does now. As such, my usual work day consists of constantly being set up, having to take full responsibilty for things completely beyond my control, people accessing my personal details through HR dept and smsing my partner with all manner of horrible stories (blocking senders # of course), and a complete lack of co-operation even down to sabotage.Before anyone says...."well what are you doing there"?, well im not for much longer.Im walking away. Maybe even being fired before i get a chance (their always a month late with their pay so gotta be careful in the execution).* This short little trip into how big business in Indonesia is run has crushed a lot of the hope I had for Indo.I thought it was all being cleaned out!The corruption/beurocratic issues in Indonesia are not getting any better, not being adressed, and are actually on the rise with the push for national* economic and business recovery . Although it wont have enough effect to make me leave Indo (not immediately anyway), this little experience certainly has me checking my options.I'll certainly be trying to make sure my next contract is outside Indonesia. A month on at work here, and then "unwinding " here for a month has my gagging right now.Not meaning to publicly vent, but can somewhat sympathyze JC.

I always though that you "know quite well" indonesian or balinese people and all the burocrasy system

I am not surprised by lax Indonesian officials, under normal circumstances! I am usually prepared to wait when I have to. I don't regard an important family death as something I have any control of.

I finally got my Exit Permit at 3:15pm today, three days after I applied for it. Even so, I still had to protest a little about how long it was still taking. I think they got the message and they gave me discount of Rp50,000 (I paid Rp350,000).

By the time I walked back to my car where my wife was waiting for me, she'd just received a phone call from the Immigration official telling her that I seemed to be a bit agitated/angry and that she should try and calm me down.

Repeating myself, when the Australian Consulate learned of the reason why my wife needed a Visitor's Visa for Australia, it was issued on the spot within 15 minutes!

We fly to Australia tonight.

I’m sorry JC and condolences.
I can’t remember if you already have the retirement visa (KITAP) or not, if you don’t the only way to avoid this is to apply for a multiple entry/exit permit right at the beginning (not cheap) when you apply for the visa, but than again why someone should apply b4 hand. Why do we need a BLOODY entry/exit permit? Money of course but then again the system should at least work.

I am seriously considering leaving Bali and never coming back. Kind of had enough of the endless crap these days.

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I do understand you 100% since I feel exactly the same way.

Do these people really have no compassion or understanding whatsoever?

Do many Indonesians really see us only as walking money bags?

Without any doubts, but maybe will change in future and be worse for them.

Sorry to here about your loss JC. My father died last November, for immediate trips out of Bali(which is @8 times per year) I got a multiple entry business visa...to avoid the crap that you went through. When I organized my trip back to Oz for Dads' funeral, that was the easy part, the biggest hassle was family members agreeing on the funeral arrangements. Hope all goes well

Thank you all for the condolences, etc.

We made it to Australia OK and with our newly acquired Indonesian tax numbers, didn't have to pay fiskal.

Australia was sort of a breath of fresh air, mostly. Before I left Bali, I managed to renew my NSW driver's licence using the internet. (My licence had expired in September, 2008.) No problem so long as it's less than two years since expiry.

I own properties there so applying for building permission is not an issue for me. For sure, Australian bureaucracy can be pretty mean, at times. But at least you can easily find and get the information required, unlike here in Bali or the rest of Indonesia.