Helping the poor?

[triggywiggy]

Historically, the areas of Bali that were agriculturally better (particularly with rice) have been more wealthy. East of Agung there is a bit of a rain shadow, and the slopes are not so friendly to terracing. While now the economy may be driven more by tourism - it seems that the districts that have been poor in the past are still poor.

I would say thats write though they do allot to get the rice good yum lol

[Markit]

Oh my fecking Jeddi, what is wrong with you people? On the worst day I ever had (beggar-wise) in Bali I ran into about 5 of them. Now if you were to give each of them 1000 whole Rupiahs that would amount to an amazing 45 cent US. If that is going to break your bank or ruin their moral upbringing then it/they wasn't worth a shite in the first place.

In Bombay they have career beggars and these guys (except the crippled) are worth every penny you give them - did anybody ever run into the "shit on your shoe" scam? He offers to clean it off, after secretly placing it there himself. Magic!

Btw Markit,maybe I should go to Ahmed and region for awhile to see myself, but what I don't understand is, yes it's a poor area (I heard). But are there self supporting projects? E.g. Region Gianyar (UBud, Celuk etc) is full of crafting possibilities, it is -the- most active area of Bali in making and ordering. I don't see why people over there couldn't be trained to do the same. Is it the distance? Too far a way from airport, post offices and other facilities?

Sure i guess they could be trained by "somebody" but like I keep saying here "Somebody" is us - are you offering?

Historically, the areas of Bali that were agriculturally better (particularly with rice) have been more wealthy. East of Agung there is a bit of a rain shadow, and the slopes are not so friendly to terracing. While now the economy may be driven more by tourism - it seems that the districts that have been poor in the past are still poor.

Nail on the Head there Ron - also some geological information - the east of the island was cut off from the rest of Bali through lava flows from the last big eruption in ....sry....68 or 73 I'm not sure which. But it had an enormous effect here that the locals on the other side of the flow suddenly couldn't get their goodies or themselves to market any more with the expected consequences....

[Blondie]

I give money to old people. and usually around 20 or 50,000.. something that will impact them

I ignore the kids holding babies and the women doing the same at intersections on Sunset Rd... It makes my stomach hurt to see them, but they are everywhere and it is organised, and no matter how much theyre given, they will be back tomorrow for that very reason... the organisation. It isnt our responsibilty to support that organisation and by giving to it, we do support it's continuation.

Balinese have their own system. Anyone dealing with a banjar and beyond knows that. Bali needs to deal with this

I once stopped and bought some cooked local food and bottles of Aqua to a group of them and got the look of disgust because they couldnt take that back to their handlers at the end of the day, so... Im done with that

But the elderly, who you dont see often with their hands out, always get something substantial from me... just by their age, they've earned something easy and Im happy to give it

N

[MiSO]

Historically, the areas of Bali that were agriculturally better (particularly with rice) have been more wealthy. East of Agung there is a bit of a rain shadow, and the slopes are not so friendly to terracing. While now the economy may be driven more by tourism - it seems that the districts that have been poor in the past are still poor.

Thanks for your explanation, Ron.

Sure i guess they could be trained by "somebody" but like I keep saying here "Somebody" is us - are you offering?

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I already did a lot of this, Markit. But yeah, ideas keep on rolling. I like to hand over the implementation- part though. Or do you like to 'sponsor' me, while I 'sponsor' them?

You also said, "what is 1000 rups...". You are right, it's nothing, but it is not always, most of the time not, about the money...

BTW. renting a child to beg is 10.000 Rupiah per day.

[triggywiggy]

Thanks for your explanation, Ron.



I already did a lot of this, Markit. But yeah, ideas keep on rolling. I like to hand over the implementation- part though. Or do you like to 'sponsor' me, while I 'sponsor' them?

You also said, "what is 1000 rups...". You are right, it's nothing, but it is not always, most of the time not, about the money...

BTW. renting a child to beg is 10.000 Rupiah per day.

i dont understand what you are on about are you one of those fakers

[MiSO]

I give money to old people. and usually around 20 or 50,000.. something that will impact them

I ignore the kids holding babies and the women doing the same at intersections on Sunset Rd... It makes my stomach hurt to see them, but they are everywhere and it is organised, and no matter how much theyre given, they will be back tomorrow for that very reason... the organisation. It isnt our responsibilty to support that organisation and by giving to it, we do support it's continuation.

Balinese have their own system. Anyone dealing with a banjar and beyond knows that. Bali needs to deal with this

I once stopped and bought some cooked local food and bottles of Aqua to a group of them and got the look of disgust because they couldnt take that back to their handlers at the end of the day, so... Im done with that

But the elderly, who you dont see often with their hands out, always get something substantial from me... just by their age, they've earned something easy and Im happy to give it

N

It's true you know. I learned so many things about this subject today (it kept me busy)
A lady told me that even if you'd offer them education, they' d refuse it. Begging is what they want to do.

Twiggy, read Markit's post in whole, I cut only 1 sentence of the text he posted.

The question is: what is poverty? Poverty in Europe is different from poverty in Indonesia. Walking on barefoot, is that poverty?
Not having a mobile is that poverty? Dying from hunger...yeah...no discussion possible.

[bolli]

I give if and when I feel like it.

[triggywiggy]

I give if and when I feel like it.

I will to lol if they look poor

[gingerkiss]

If I want to help the poor usually I hand out money to the one who working collecting rubbish at 0ne aclock in the morning, you often see them pushing their vehicle with loads of rubbish.I do rather hand out my money to them than the beggar.

[Bower]

In all my travels i try hard not to assist a growing begging economy.
Its not all about cash. I have purchased a bycycle in Cambodia for a fisherwoman, cost $25 US.
One years school fees in Ghana £50.00. A set of English school books and a mobile phone in Burma £30.00

One generous purchase to make a real difference to someone needy.